[GP] Indianapolis, 28 août 2011

Je ne me suis même pas endormi (sans doute parce que je l'ai fait pendant la course moto2 ), Et la course de Spies , c'est du mou de veau ? Avec un départ chaotique, il réalise une très belle course , il est avec Stoner le seul a être descendu en 1.39 , Il a sorti la grosse attaque et sans faire de fautes, Pas mal pour un champion du monde SBK

Les déclarations des pilotes MotoGP:

Stoner:"I'm very happy to win here at the Brickyard. We had a really good setup all weekend and felt good with the track. I was struggling with the grip but I suppose in comparison with everyone else we felt pretty good. For the race we knew we had a good setup and the pace. We struggled a bit in the first few laps but once we got going we managed to do the laptimes we thought we could get to. The heat today made the race very hard and it was a lot of hard work out front, trying to stay consistent and trying not to run wide onto that greasy part of the track."
"We got an ok start and I should have been a little more aggressive in the first corner. As I entered turn two Dani hit the breaks quite hard and I just had nothing, my brakes weren't warmed up yet and I had trouble stopping, I was lucky to get through the first lap. The race was tough, conditions were very hot and the track surface a little more slippery than practice and qualifying which made things difficult to know how much to push. At one point I closed the front and dropped the bike on my knee, I was pretty much down but managed to pick it back up and not lose too much confidence. From there we started to make our way past Dani, put in a few good lap times and pull an advantage. Under challenging track conditions everything has worked really well this weekend, the crew did a fantastic job and gave me a great bike so a huge thanks to them all!".

Pedrosa:"We are very happy with second place today for several reasons. After yesterday's qualifying session, we had to work hard to reduce the one second gap we had from Casey, it wasn't normal to be so far away from him. To finish second after the crash in Brno is a great feeling. I knew that my race pace wouldn't be as fast as Casey's, but the team did a very good job, helped me to feel more comfortable with the front and I was able to find a good rhythm, just 3-4 tenths slower than Casey. It was a tough race being alone, but I focused on my lap times and I made my best lap at the end, so I'm happy with my performance and the bike. To get 20 points is not so bad after the crash in Brno and I look forward to going to Misano next week to try and take another step forward".

Ben Spies:"My actual start wasn't too bad, just a couple of people got into turn one too hot and I got bottled in. I think Dovi came across in front of me in turn four and I was just glad to stay on the bike. I never even saw him. After that happened we just had to pluck away and not get ahead of ourselves. We rode well but just needed to be up there in the first four turns. I rode as fast as I could; it was tough to pass out there as we couldn't get it done on the straight so we had to figure out some different spots. I was happy to be able to do that and still run good pace at the end."

Jorge Lorenzo:"It's a shame; I thought I could reduce my gap with Casey at Indy but since the first practice I have had many problems with the asphalt and the front tyre. I've tried everything with my team to fix it, but we couldn't. After four or five laps the front tyre was destroyed. I saw the other three front riders and their tyres were perfect. I don't know if it was because of the track and I'm not the only one complaining. Now the Championship is much more complicated, but hope is the last thing you can lose. Next weekend we ride again at Misano, I looking forward to forgetting this result."


Andrea Dovizioso:"I can't be happy with today's result because our target was the podium and gaining some points on Lorenzo, but we also have to look at the positives and I'm pleased I managed a 1'40.1 lap time, my fastest of the race on my final lap. Considering the demanding conditions of this track and the hot temperatures, this lap time shows that we were fast even at the end. We had a bad start, Nicky (Hayden) blocked me and then Ben (Spies) and I touched in turn four and I lost valuable time and positions. From that moment I tried to remain focused and lap by lap I found the pace that allowed me to recover positions. We knew that the race would be tough and it really was. It was also a strange race, from the beginning we had no rear grip and especially in the first laps I had the feeling that the front was closing a lot. However, I was able to change my mentality and adapt my ri ding style to the conditions in order to manage the tyres in the best way and ride consistently. We are competitive and we go to Misano, my home GP very determined and confident of a good result".

Álvaro Bautista:"I am happy with today's position because this weekend we didn't have the same rhythm as we have done in the last couple of races. I had a good qualifying session, but I was not quite on par with the top guys and that meant I couldn't really stay with them and fight in the race. I made a decent start and overtook a couple of riders, but I just couldn't keep up with the front group. We struggled a bit more at this track because we just couldn't get the bike to turn how we wanted it to and I think we were not quite at the same level as some of the others around here. I was consistent throughout the whole race and had a couple of good battles with other riders – especially with Edwards – but at the end I got a good rhythm and was able to get some distance on the riders behind. I think today was the best result we could have got – so we did the maximum. We now go to Misano and I think we can be more competitive from the beginning, so I am really looking forward to the race.
One other thing that was very important was to finish the race as I have crashed in the last two, so I am very happy that I did that! It gives us more motivation and also the team needed a result. I want to say a big thank-you to the whole team for the passion that they showed this weekend and now we are in the best position to make another step forward."

Colin Edwards:"I thought I got a fantastic start but the problem is the Yamaha is lacking a bit of grunt. I needed Fred Flinstone behind giving me a push to go faster, so I had a few people come by me on the run to the first corner. The first few laps I felt I could go faster but with Bautista sitting in front of me, I'd get close and then coming out of the corner he would just grab a few metres on me. In the twisty stuff at the end of the lap I was gaining it all back and at the last corner I almost ran into him. But by the time we got to the first corner he'd pull a few bike lengths on me again. I really wanted to beat Bautista but he started to ride really well in the second half of the race. I was on his back wheel and looking for an opportunity to make an overtake but I lost the front at the end of the back straight and that was a warning just to back off and take seventh. The front tyre lost a fair bit of grip in the last few laps though I wasn't the only one to have a problem. But I was top non-factory rider, I got another top ten and I moved up another place in the Championship, so it wasn't a bad afternoon's work. We go to Misano now and see if we can fight for the top six."

Randy De Puniet:"I'm happy, this is my best race of the season! Bad start for the race when Loris touched me and I lost at least three positions, otherwise I could stay with the group and probably I could have fought for better positions. But it's ok, our pace, as I declared yesterday, has been steady and good until the end and this allowed me to overtake many riders in the second half of the race. I'm satisfied with how things went today, the team has worked very well and after a difficult start of the season we all deserve a good result. We needed it and I look forward to continue at this level also next week at Misano."


Hiroshi Aoyama: "I am happy but not altogether satisfied with this result. The way the tyres worked and also my physical conditions in this intense heat were plus points for us and we went much better in the race than we had managed in practice but maybe with a better start I could have been fighting further up the field. Overall it has been a positive weekend and gives us a boost for the next races."

Valentino Rossi:"A number of things happened this weekend that contributed to making this a particularly difficult race: the crash yesterday in qualifying, which robbed some confidence and was part of the reason we had to start so far back on the grid, and today there was a problem with the gearbox. The bike stuck in neutral six or seven times, and the first two caused me to go straight and lose time. I found myself in last place, but I decided to do what I could to at least get some points. In this morning's warm-up, we had made a small change that let us improve the pace a little, but the race was really difficult. We know that we have to work hard. Ducati is doing that, and my team and I are as well, because we must try to not let up and to get the bike ready while we wait for technical updates."

Cal Crutchlow:"Firstly I want to say a big thanks to all my guys in the Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Team. They never gave up all weekend, even when we were struggling a little bit and it might sound silly but I don't think any of us in the garage have ever been so pleased to get an 11th place. After the bad recent run it was important to finish the race and I did that. The result wasn't the best but my speed at the end of the race was really good and I'm happy about that, so there are a lot of positives to take to Misano. At the end of the race I was lapping faster than Jorge Lorenzo. I was a long way behind him but that still gives me a lot of encouragement. Like a lot of people I had a few issues with the front tyre and in the early part of the race it wasn't easy but I never gave up and pushed right to the end. This result at least gives us something to build on for the next races, starting at Misano, which is a track that at least I don't have to learn. I've needed to finish races to gain some experience and I'm glad we did because I learned a lot this afternoon and gave the Team a lot of good feedback to hopefully improve the bike in Misano."

Marco Simoncelli: "Unfortunately today my race only really lasted five laps, during which time I had a lot of fun – it's just a shame about the other 23! We have had this problem all weekend and even though we thought we had improved the situation this morning it was only because the track temperatures were lower. In the afternoon heat the problem came back after just five laps and even though I was able to keep it consistent for the next six or seven laps I could do nothing to prevent the decline in performance after that. It was a real mission just to make it to the end – I was putting myself on the line just ride slowly. Now we need to look into exactly what caused this problem."

Toni Elias: "Well... it seems we had a big issue about the rear spinning for the whole race... a bit more than everybody and I could not keep the corner speed in the entry of the curves. For all these reasons my pace was a few tenths slower than what we expected and I could not stay in the good group. I have tried to follow Aoyama first and then Rossi and Crutchlow but they were faster than me. We need to find those few tenths to race for the top ten and this is our main target for the next week end in Misano".

Nicky Hayden:"It was a really tough day. We thought the soft front tyre could be a good option for the race, but unfortunately it only worked for seven or eight laps. Then I began to steadily lose ground until it even began shaking on the straightaways, and I had to come in. Since you've got to finish to get points, I went back out, and it was actually worth getting two points. I got a good start and was up front the first few laps, and that was the first time I put up a real fight in the dry all season. My bike felt fast in a straight line, and with this new gearbox, I could get out of that last corner and keep guys in the draft early on. We're on our first race with this bike, and maybe we don't know enough about what it needs. Sorry to all my U.S. fans and the Ducati fans here who came to support us, but we'll try again next week."

Héctor Barberá (DNF): "It is a real shame that the race ended like this, after so many laps riding at the limit. After the opening four laps I realised that the front tyre had practically melted away. I made a sudden drop in pace, because I was trying to push the front end down and losing control on every corner. What I did was improvise with my riding style, and it took some five or six laps to get back to feeling comfortable. It should have been a lot sooner. The important thing is that I have regained confidence and ridden comfortably again, despite not having the front tyre in good condition. The last lap was going perfectly, until I reached the final sector. I knew that the final turn would be tricky, because the tyre wasn't responding at all and I could barely dip into the corner. That had meant that De Puniet and Aoyama passed me beforehand. I went all-or-nothing into the last corner, trying to regain a position, but unfortunately I lowsided. I enjoyed myself out there though, and gave 100%. We have taken a big step forward at this race and that leaves me satisfied, but I hope that we can continue like this and finish the race at Misano."

Loris Capirossi (DNF ):"Since the fourth lap the bike did not respond as I wanted. I always lost the front tire and risked falling at every turn. At one point I could no longer manage the bike and I was forced to retire. Just returned to the box we noticed that the front tire was very worn. I'm so sorry that this happened in the race because during the whole weekend we have never had problems like that. Not much to add, we look ahead and concentrate on Misano where we hope to get a good result in front of our fans."


Karel Abraham (DNF):"Start of the race was disastrous. I was confident I could get a good result after I made a good progress in the warm-up, but then I started to have a problems.
Valentino was behind me, but then he overtook me and made some gap. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to stay with him due to a problem with the front tire. The front tire slided a lot and I almost crashed a few times.
I wasn't able to continue in the race under these conditions and I decided to return to the pits."

chriss #333 a écrit:

Vos pronostiques pour le GP ?

stoner
spies
pedrosa
lorenzo
dovi
hayden

Chris ton pronostique n'était pas loin de la vérité...

Une donnée m'a paru importante pour "évaluer" les pilotes:

Les vitesses de pointe quasi identiques pour les HONDA, les DUCATI et la SUZUKI !!!
La Yamaha un peu en retrait.

Eric Offenstadt a écrit:

Une donnée m'a paru importante pour "évaluer" les pilotes:

Les vitesses de pointe quasi identiques pour les HONDA, les DUCATI et la SUZUKI !!!
La Yamaha un peu en retrait.

J'ai remarqué ce point aussi... donc la Suzuki n'est pas une si mauvaise moto que ça, dommage qu'il n'y en ai pas 2 pour améliorer le développement!

Pour 2012 ils parlent de 2 Suz avec le moteur 800 et peut-être le 1000 en court de saison...

2 Suzuki pour 2012 ? Pourtant il me semble avoir entendu (Paul Denning ?) que Suzuki n'avait encore rien décidé et de ce fait que Bautista n'avait reçu aucune proposition de la part des bleus.

gozos a écrit:

Eric Offenstadt a écrit:

Une donnée m'a paru importante pour "évaluer" les pilotes:
Les vitesses de pointe quasi identiques pour les HONDA, les DUCATI et la SUZUKI !!!
La Yamaha un peu en retrait.

J'ai remarqué ce point aussi... donc la Suzuki n'est pas une si mauvaise moto que ça, dommage qu'il n'y en ai pas 2 pour améliorer le développement! .

J'ai toujours pensé que le problème des Suzuki (comme des Kawa avant elles) résidait avant tout dans le choix de leurs pilotes...
... Mais cela n'engage que moi !!

Eric Offenstadt a écrit:

gozos a écrit:

Eric Offenstadt a écrit:

Une donnée m'a paru importante pour "évaluer" les pilotes:
Les vitesses de pointe quasi identiques pour les HONDA, les DUCATI et la SUZUKI !!!
La Yamaha un peu en retrait.

J'ai remarqué ce point aussi... donc la Suzuki n'est pas une si mauvaise moto que ça, dommage qu'il n'y en ai pas 2 pour améliorer le développement! .

J'ai toujours pensé que le problème des Suzuki (comme des Kawa avant elles) résidait avant tout dans le choix de leurs pilotes...
... Mais cela n'engage que moi !!

Alors que DUCATI fait l'inverse, sur une moto contre performante, elle prends des pilotes de pointe et les amènent vers la porte de sortie !

Eric, pourquoi maintenant écris-tu quasi systématiquement en grande taille?



2 Espagnols rapides en piste et prompts à rentrer chez eux: Pol Espargaro et Tito Rabat à l'aéroport de Barcelone, les bras chargés de leur trophée...
Il manque le vainqueur, Espagnol aussi...

On aimerait bien voir la même chose avec nos représentants.

Citation :

Eric, pourquoi maintenant écris-tu quasi systématiquement en grande taille?

Peut etre pour enfin être entendu, ... ?



Sinon, gp que peu interessant, les américains ont bien fait de ne pas se déplacer...

Edité par Marc --> Je me suis fait adminiser, merci la dictature...

erwan#26 a écrit:

Alors que DUCATI fait l'inverse, sur une moto contre performante, elle prends des pilotes de pointe et les amènent vers la porte de sortie !

Ouai c'est bien triste ! Le Vale en perdition ça fait mal au coeur, mais le pire c'était de voir Nicky s'effondrer, sans rien pouvoir y faire !!!

Avec son geste de dépit lorsqu'il se fait passer par Elias, c'est très moche, surtout avec un début de course comme le sien !

Ce qu'il faut néanmoins noter, c'est que ce "massacre" dû aux pneus n'a pas affecté les Honda HRC!

Quelle différence entre le comportement de ces dernières et celui de la moto de Simoncelli (voire d'Aoyama).

J'en déduis donc que les châssis sont parfaitement réglés au HRC et guère ailleurs!
Rendons à César...



PS: Tout comme le pneu de Marquez, immaculé par rapport à celui de Corsi après les qualifications, laissait bien présager du déroulement de la course de ces deux pilotes...

Oui mais le cas Simonceli est a prendre a part, roulant comme un bourrin et n'etant pas des plus leger, ca doit forcement jouer un peu.

Ducati devraient penser a se mettre au velo ou autre chose, ca me depite de voir Rossi en galere avec une moto imbranlable qui quand elle pourrait marcher tombe en rade.

@ RossiFumi_46 : Merci pour le décodage de la fin de course de Vale

Je viens de "m'infuser" les déclarations d'après course des pilotes ...
On a l'impression que tous les attachés de presse sortent de la même école et qu'ils utilisent tous le même formulaire à chaque fois
Lisez-les et vous verrez, c'est ch....-saisissant

Paragraphe 1
Comment était la course

- "content-pas content de ma course" (développer un peu, mais pas trop et ne pas donner d'info précise)

Paragraphe 2 :
Pourquoi c'était bien-pas bien

- si "content", alors "la moto-les pneus, étaient fantastiques", puis "merci à l'équipe-sponsors-fans ... de leur aide"
- si "pas content", alors "la moto-les pneus, étaient difficiles à exploiter, malgré que tout le monde ait travaillé très dur (souligner "travaillé très dur"), puis, "merci à l'équipe-sponsors-fans ... de leur aide"

Paragraphe 3 :
Le fait de course

- "citer un fait de course qui fasse vrai" (c'est important. Ne pas craindre d'en faire trop), par exemple "j'étais si proche de Marco que ses cheveux m'empêchaient de voir la piste", ou bien "dans le troisième tour Casey a lâché une caisse dans le bout droit, j'ai perdu l'aspi, j'ai mis deux tours à m'en remettre et c'était trop tard pour revenir sur lui. Le salaud, il avait dû manger des radis noirs ..."

Paragraphe 4 :
La prochaine course

- "je suis déjà impatient d'y être ..." (très important)
- si "content de celle-ci", alors "pour continuer dans cette dynamique positive"
- si "pas content de celle-ci", alors "pour oublier ce mauvais résultat"

Il ne me reste plus qu'à remercier tous les pilotes pour ces passionnantes révélations

Mykeul, toujours caustique ce matin et pourtant ya pas de raison

+1

Même impression quand aux impressions. Je suis pas allé au bout.

Mais pour moi ce matin c'est normal : je soude (caustique)

@ jmdonnat : tout s'explique
Pour moi, pas vraiment de raison.
J'espère que je ne suis pas en train de devenir vieux (parce que j'ai arrêté de piloter)

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En français :)

bien vu Mykeul

Mykeul et JMD, on ne peut guère s'attendre à autre chose...

Vous voudriez:"J'ai fait une course de mer... mais j'espère que mes employeurs n'ont pas vu mes erreurs. De toute façon, la moto est pourrie et il n'y a plus d'argent pour la développer vu que, déjà, les mécanos ne sont plus payés depuis un mois.
Je remercie tout le monde de me permettre de croire que je suis un dieu vivant et j'espère que ça va continuer encore longtemps."

On veut rien. Juste souligner l'inutilité de l'exercice qui fait plaisir aux seuls journalistes qui croient un instant qu'ils sont importants.

Remarque applicable à toute interview de sportif selon moi... La question est : est-ce du au journaliste, au sportif ou aux intermédiaires style attachés de presse ?

Ils doivent bien avoir un peu de personnalité ces pilotes quand même, ce serait tellement mieux si ça arrivait jusqu'à nous

PS : M. Offenstadt, vous déclarez m'aimer mais malheureusement, je ne suis pas mon avatar

Marc a écrit:

Mykeul et JMD, on ne peut guère s'attendre à autre chose...
...

Ben si, justement, j'aimerais quelquechose de moins mécanique et stéréotypé

Je ne veux pas la mort des atttaché(e)s de presse, j'aimerais juste trouver un peu "d'information informative" dans ces communiqués et si c'est trop demander que d'avoir ça, que le communiqué commence par : "Pas la peine de perdre votre temps à lire celui-ci, j'ai juste re-copié les mêmes co...ries que d'habitude".

A force de ne "guère m'attendre à autre chose", je ne les lis plus, mais je trouve dommage qu'on s'habitue à produire, diffuser et reproduire des trucs qui devraient répondre à la légitime curiosité des fans (qui sont les "clients" de tout ce "commerce", tout de même), et qui en réalité ne servent à rien. Sauf si je fais partie d'une minorité de vieux grincheux et que la majorité de gentils tifoso trouve ça super intéressant

Si les "professionnels de la profession" conçoivent comme ça leur boulot, comment s'étonner que des "amateurs" fassent le boulot à leur place et captent l'intérêt des passionnés en leur racontant de vraies histoires sans en référer d'abord à leur boss pour savoir si c'est politiquement correct ? (Je pense que tu es bien placé pour le constater)

A force d'information aseptisée (voire carrément biaisée), on finit par douter de tout (cf le topic sur le GP du Japon, par exemple) et c'est dommage.

A force de vouloir à tout prix rendre la réalité plus belle, on produit juste de la bouillie pré-ch...

Bon, je ne veux pas alourdir éxagérément le post GP d'Indianapolis par des considérations qui ne sont pas directement liées au déroulement des courses. Je sais que tu veilles et que tu as créé à cet effet des posts "pétages de plombs et digressions en tous genres ..."
Si je me retrouve une nouvelle fois là-bas, c'est pas la fin du monde

RossiFumi_46 a écrit:

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En français :)

Mais c'est mon article....

Aux déclarations lénifiantes des pilotes et attachés de presse, je préfère de loin la franchise d'Eric Mahé:
Interrogé par M. Turcot quand à la position de Randy en début de course, il lui expliquait que ce dernier avait été poussé par Capirossi, ce qui était assez dommageable pour Randy et inutile pour Capirossi vu qu'il allait ensuite se trainer la teub en fin de peloton.

Puis (de mémoire):

Turcot: Etrange de la part de Capirossi, c'est un pilote sympa.

Mahé:Un pilote sympa.....euh......je dirais plutôt un pilote faux-cul.

MANETON a écrit:

Aux déclarations lénifiantes des pilotes et attachés de presse, je préfère de loin la franchise d'Eric Mahé: Interrogé par M. Turcot quand à la position de Randy en début de course, il lui expliquait que ce dernier avait été poussé par Capirossi, ce qui était assez dommageable pour Randy et inutile pour Capirossi vu qu'il allait ensuite se trainer la teub en fin de peloton. Puis (de mémoire):
Turcot: Etrange de la part de Capirossi, c'est un pilote sympa.
Mahé:Un pilote sympa.....euh......je dirais plutôt un pilote faux-cul.

Tu ne peux pas savoir Maneton, comme j'en ai "raz le carafon" des déclarations "politiquement correctes", des compliments "tout le monde il est beau, tout le monde il est gentil" et "Techniquement intox" de tout ce Microcosme puis repris en "canon" par le coeur des vierges !!!            

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