[GP] Assen, 30 juin 2012

En regardant la course j'avais l'impression de revoir un duel Doohan/Criville,Stoner au cul de Pedrosa le depassement net et sans bavure puis le coup de collier qui va bien pour mettre la seconde en 2tours,et le tout avec une épaule et un genou dans la boite a gants

Quand j'entends Pedrosa dire que Casey avait plus d'energie que lui a la fin,ça m'a bien fait marrer...

Bautista ... pas grand chose a dire

adrien mototribu a écrit:

Je préfère perso le pilotage de Lorenzo mais ce que tu dis est juste

Pour le coup, on a pas pu trop admirer le pilotage de Lorenzo,
même si leurs niveaux sont à peu près égaux,
Stoner "ouvre une nouvelle voie du pilotage"
Lorenzo à un pilotage plus classique, avec une fluidité extraordinaire.


Et ces 2 façons, completement différentes, montre qu'il n'y a pas (encore) la manière parfaite de piloter.
Ce ne seront pas des robots comme le sont devenus les pilotes de F1


Et d'accord avec Pat', en public, faut donner l'impression d'avoir un moral de samouraï !

Je voulais dire que le duo Zarco-Felon n'est pas plus condamnable qu'un autre du genre père-fils bien plus courant par exemple et qu'il y eu de tels duos qui ont connu une grande réussite et d'autres qui ont échoué en route.

Maintenant, si Adrien a les informations vraies de l'intérieur du duo comme Marc semble le dire, je trouve indélicat de dire que ce duo est voué à l'échec sans argumenter et décrire le pourquoi du comment.
Là, çà a fait plus ragot ou café du commerce qu'autre chose. Et c'est çà que je n'ai pas apprécié.

Ce forum est public et tout lecteur, dont moi, n'est pas censé savoir qui est Adrien autrement qu'un des animateurs de Moto Tribu et cette seule qualité ne donne pas accès, je crois, à l'intimité du duo ZF. Si il y a intimité, il faut le préciser en même temps que les avis sur ZF, sinon c'est comme éditer une photo sans citer sa source ou son auteur, çà se fait mais c'est pas délicat.

Et puis, faire une hiérarchie entre ceux qui savent et peuvent dire sur leur seule bonne foi et ceux qui ne savent pas et doivent se taire est loin de ce qu'est un forum sur internet.

j'ai rien vu du gp because petit voyage dans les Vosges.
Mais plein de à Randy et à tous les autres frenchies pour leur perf d'aujourd'hui.
La saison est longue,courage et plein de réussite.

que la force soit avec vous

Pat06 a écrit:

Lorenzo a l'air énervé ça se comprend , perdre 25 point d'un coup aarrff (j'ai vu une photo bizarre ou un commissaire se prend son gant .. hum hum).

Il y a effectivement une photo qui prête à confusion car le commissaire a un mouvement de protection mais j'ai vu la vidéo et Lorenzo lance seulement son gant devant lui; le commissaire qui est à environ un mètre cinquante de sa ligne de tir n'est pas l'objet de son tir.
De toute façon, ce n'est pas son style.

PS: Rosenoire, je veille à essayer au maximum de s'éloigner du café du commerce et de soutenir au maximum les pilotes français. Puisque tu n'es pas très ancien, prends ton temps pour découvrir "qui et qui", et à qui tu peux apporter "un peu plus" de crédo sur certains sujets. Toutefois, personne n'est censé se taire et toute opinion est recevable du moment qu'elle est argumentée.

Shinichi Yamashita – General Manager, Bridgestone Motorsport Tyre Development Department
“Today’s Dutch TT saw warm track temperatures and the race was run at a good pace with all riders selecting the harder front slick, while all but seven riders selected the softer slick option for the rear.

“Unfortunately a few riders experienced a problem with their rear tyre today and we sincerely apologise to those riders affected. We have commenced a full investigation into the matter and I will personally take the affected tyres back to Bridgestone’s Technical Centre in Japan tomorrow where they will undergo detailed analysis to determine the cause of this issue.”

Marc a écrit:

Bautista partira de la dernière place en Allemagne!

C'est complètement illogique de la part de la direction de course!
Si on le fait partir dernier, il va renverser deux fois plus de monde!
Il faut le faire partir premier!




Plus sérieusement, sur le sujet, à la conférence de presse:
- Pedrosa:"je ne peux rien dire, je dois voir les images d'abord."
- Dovisiozo:"il mérite un gros avertissement."
- Stoner:"il doit se sentir mal. Un avertissement mais pas de pénalité."
Stoner rajoute, quelques minutes plus tard, que Cortese est dangereux et mérite qu'on lui parle.
Sur Twitter, il avait publié:"Cortese needs to have more than a slap on the wrist for his riding in this race. He's going to cause a huge crash if he's doesn't stop it."

Et bien je ne regrette pas d'avoir écourté ma nuit pour les rediffs et la moto3 passage vraiment réussi pour cette catégorie c'est encore mieux que la 125 , des motos légères ultra vites en courbes et des vrais pilotes de chasse , on dirait des courses de kart tellement ça double sec !

Les motos 2 font "lourdes" à côté ..
Marquez vraiment trés bon mais toujours aussi agressif et pourtant Ianone c'est pas un poête
Bravo Zarco , j'espère vraiment qu'il est fier de lui .

Bautista ça doit être le contraire il a raté le levier ou quoi ? on comprend Lorenzo sur le coup , se faire ruiner sur une telle connerie ...
Le pneu de Rossi , le manque de physique pour Pedro , Dovi la rage bravo , Crutchlow au courage , le futur retraité dans le rapide absolument dément de précision et de gros coeur

Mais kommenkifont ??

Il risquait pas de suivre le rythme

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philwood a écrit:

Lorenzo, lui,n'a jamais de chez jamais fait une bourde.................Doucement nous allons arrivés au niveau "foot" .....Bien..........Et Mille fois bravo à Stoner de fuir ce milieu..........Le fric , le nerf de la guerre??? Le nerf de la merde plutôt..................Définitivement OLDIES

Oui à écouter les commentaires des uns et des autres hier en direct on aurait dit qu'il avait fait exprès de chuter et d'emmener Lorenzo dans sa chute.

Sinon, je leur préconise de faire comme pour le prologue du tour de France hier partir de minute en minute

Le pilotage est là pour la moto GP, y a pas de doute mais vraiment au niveau spectacle qu'est ce que c'est devenu lourd et en plus ils en rajoutent avec des sanctions à la tronche du client. J'aurais aimé voir dans le sens inverse si Lorenzo partait en fond de grille au Sachsenring

A force de leur dire sans arrêt que ce sont les meilleurs voir des extra-terrestres, certains pilotes (aidés par leurs managers) ont pris un tour de tête énorme et les fournisseurs de casques vont avoir du mal à trouver les tailles adéquates

Pat06 a écrit:

Il risquait pas de suivre le rythme

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Le problème a affecté Rossi mais aussi Spies et Barbera, toujours sur le côté droit.
Les 3 étaient en pneus "medium", contrairement aux autres, en "medium/soft".
Mais nous parlons de pneus asymétriques et, qu'ils soient medium ou medium/soft, le caoutchouc utilisé pour le côté droit, de qualité "medium", est le même pour les 2 sortes de pneus.
La gomme n'est donc pas en cause mais plutôt un vice dans le procédé de fabrication de la série "medium".

A noter que Dovizioso et Crutchlow était également équipés de ce pneu et n'ont visiblement pas eu de problème.
Pour Hayden, je ne sais pas.

Eric Offenstadt a écrit:

et persiste à dire qu'ils ont besoin d'un coach ayant pratiqué le plus haut niveau.

Absolument d'accord avec toi , il faut sortir de la tambouille familiale maintenant (un peu comme les gamins qui s'affranchissent du Pater trop présent à partir d'un certain moment et qui tremblent à l'idée de faire une conn... c'est le lien qui devient néfaste , trop d'affect ..)
DeMaria serait nickel dans ce rôle , il avait fait un sacré job avec RDP et lui donnerait sans doute une grande confiance en lui , il a un talent et un potentiel de fou mais .. sait-il à quel point ?

J'ai ressorti le Livre d'or 2006 Moto GP écrit par Bernard Busillet afin de parfaire l'éducation de mon petit neveu (4ans)...

Et ce matin en le feuilletant, je lis page 85, quelque chose qui me permet de faire un parallèle avec les CRT :

Il s'agit de l'équipe Kenny Roberts, qui termine 4e à Laguna avec une moto "maison" propulsée par le V5 Honda :

"[...] développer un projet de chassis artisanal autour d'un moteur acheté à un constructeur semble viable, ce qui ouvre de nouvelles perspectives pour le motoGP ..."
Funny, isn't it ??

L'idée de la Honda GP low-cost me semble une voie à suivre (Honda et autres marques aussi d'ailleurs)
Low-cost mais issue de proto, autant que ça serve tout leur dévelopement non ?. . .


Quand au pneu de Rossi, il faut porter plainte contre Bridgestone, c'est du jamais vu.
Entre les années où les pilotes servaient de projectiles, les pneus qui perdent en efficacité (dixit Stoner), et les pneus qui déchappent, il y a vraiment du souci,
on passe sur le mauvais versant du manufacturier unique, qui sacrifie certainement certains paramètres au prix de la rentabilité . . .

même soucis avec les Michelins d'ailleurs , parfois .. (ça cloque d'abord et ça dégage par plaque ensuite )

Déclarations des pilotes MotoGP:

CASEY STONER (1st - Repsol Honda): "To take pole position and now the win is really incredible, a big thanks to my whole team who never gave up. My plan was to get a better start than I actually did, take some advantage and use the energy I had to try and make a gap and try to hold on to the end. We also knew that whichever position we were in, we had to preserve the rear tyre. With a few laps remaining, I knew we wouldn't suffer a big drop in tyre performance, I still felt good so I decided to pass him and see if I could pull a gap. It was a tough race, I had a lot of arm pump as I had to compensate for my injuries from the crash yesterday, but my fitness was good and the bike was working well in general. I'm sorry for Jorge, nobody wants to take points over a competitor in this manner, but as we can see, one race can change everything".

DANI PEDROSA (2nd - Repsol Honda): "Looking at the lap times we did during the weekend, I knew I had better rhythm than Casey, so I made a good start and tried to pull away from the first laps. Casey stayed behind me all the time and by the second half of the race, I believe he took profit of extra energy he saved during the first part of the race to overtake me. Our pace was very good in the race, the bike worked very well but maybe I just chose the wrong strategy this time. I hope to do a better strategy next week in Germany".

ANDREA DOVIZIOSO (3rd - Monster Yamaha Tech 3): “Scoring a podium for us feels like a victory and today is another great day for me and the Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Team. This podium is great because I have never had a very good feeling at this track but with the Yamaha YZR-M1 I felt much more comfortable. I was only seventh on the grid but I knew all weekend my race pace was very fast and I always felt a podium was a realistic goal. I got a good start and it was a beautiful battle with Spies for the whole race. It was a really strong battle and the pace was very high and when I passed Spies for the first time I tried not to abuse the tyres too much because I knew the first two were already too far ahead. I dropped my pace and it really paid off because at the end of the race I was much stronger than him and it seems he apparently had some issue with the rear tyre. I want to say a huge thanks to my crew because onc e again they have done a fantastic job. We work a lot to be competitive for the race and this strategy is really paying off because in the last four races now I have been fighting for the podium. I also want to thank Yamaha for the great support they are offering us. Now I'm really looking forward to the next two races, particularly my home race at Mugello, because after fighting for the podium consistently I am confident that I will be able to repeat this performance another time”.

BEN SPIES (4th - Yamaha Factory Racing): "Today the bike was good, I struggled with some front grip in the beginning but was able to ride around it. I managed to stay past Dovi and ride at my own pace, then about seven or eight laps from the end I was pushing to get away. A chunk came out of the tyre and then a second; I couldn’t do anything about it. I was hoping Dovi would get past me as I was worried the tyre would explode and I didn’t want to fall right in front of him. We’ve made some mistakes early in the year but the last two weekends we’ve had a bike to be on the podium but issues have prevented it. The bike and the team are working so well and I’ve been really comfortable on it so it’s disappointing".

CAL CRUTCHLOW (5th - Monster Yamaha Tech 3): “Once again I am contemplating what might have been because without the incident at the first corner I had the pace to be on the podium today. I was actually quite lucky to avoid being collected by Alvaro and Jorge but I still had to run off track and I was last. I'm glad Jorge was not hurt because the job he has done for Yamaha this season has been incredible and he didn't deserve that today. Alvaro was way too fast and I know he didn't do that intentionally but you have to be sensible when braking from high-speed for a tight first corner like that. Like in Silverstone I was right at the back but just decided to get my head down and recover as many places as possible. I had a really good battle with the Ducatis but I had a faster pace, although I had one big moment when I lost the front on lap eight and had to do all the hard work again. To be at the back and still come through to fifth is a fantastic result. But there is no doubt I should have been in the battle with Andrea and Ben. With my ankle still causing me a lot of pain and coming from last to fifth, I can't be too disappointed and I leave here still fourth in the World Championship and that is very important”.

NICKY HAYDEN (6th - Ducati Team): “I got a pretty good start and stayed out of the mess in turn one, but then I braked too deep in the chicane and went through the gravel. I almost lost the train, but I charged and was able to catch the group again. My bike felt pretty decent, and I got back in front of those guys. I was fighting with Crutchlow and Barbera. After Cal passed, Hector made a big mistake in the chicane and I almost hit him. Valentino and some of the others had tyre problems, but mine hung in there better than some. It would be nice not to have made that mistake on lap one, but I know if I want to go with that group, I’ve got to go at 100 per cent. A couple guys fell down, which helped me to get sixth place, but that’s racing. It hasn’t been an easy weekend, but the guys have really worked hard, and hopefully soon we can really do a good result”.

HECTOR BARBERA (7th - Pramac Racing): “I felt great, I had a lot of energy and the confidence with my Ducati was real. I had a good feeling with the bike from the first laps and I pushed as much as I could to stay with the group composed by Valentino, Nicky and Cal. We had the same race pace and this allowed me to fight with the group. With five laps to go, I tried to overtake Cal, but I lost the rear grip and from that moment I started to have an issue with the back tyre, losing both my race pace and my confidence. I gritted my teeth until the flag to achieve seventh place and I’m happy and satisfied about the battle with the factory Ducati machines”.

RANDY DE PUNIET (8th - Power Electronics Aspar Team): "I am very proud of this result. It shows that when the team works hard, we can reap the rewards. I had a great race today and had some of the good luck that I had been lacking in other races this season. Now the standings for best CRT rider are practically level. Eighth place with a CRT team is a turning point for the championship. Points in this class are hard to get, so to get eight in one go makes me very happy".

MICHELE PIRRO (9th - San Carlo Honda Gresini): “It’s a good result, even if I am a little unhappy that lately we are always so close to being the best CRT. The guys are working so hard all the time and the bike improved between yesterday and today. I had the possibility to fight for the top CRT spot and we would have been even more competitive with just a few details adjusted. That’s why I’m convinced that, sooner or later, we will be successful. I thank the team from the bottom of my heart, because whilst I ride the bike, they are making the real difference. I am very happy with them”.

MATTIA PASINI (10th - Speed Master): “After all, I am happy. We finished in tenth position and, in the whole, this was a positive weekend. We made a step forward, I stayed with the CRT group where Espargaró, De Puniet and Pirro were, even if by half of the race I had some issues. I’m satisfied with the improvements we carried out, the data we put together is important for the next races. Now we’ll look forwards to Sachsenring, hopefully we’ll make some extra progress and we’ll keep working this way”.

DANILO PETRUCCI (11th - CAME Iodaracing): “I’m very happy because I’ve got my best result in MotoGP class and I’m back at points after three difficult race. I did a good start but for the Lorenzo and Bautista crash the other riders pushed me out of the track and I rejoined in last position, so I had to force the pace and I’ve got some positions but I’ve lost too much time from Pasini and I haven’t got my target that was the tenth position. My TR003 in these day was better and better, my team did a great job enabling me to get this good result”.

VALENTINO ROSSI (13th - Ducati Team): “It’s a shame about today because I started quite well. I was there, having a good race, and I think I could have had a decent result. I was fighting with Nicky, who had passed me, but he was a little bit slower and I was waiting for a good moment to attack him again. I could have finished sixth, which would have given me some points to help in the standings, but we had a big problem with the tyre about eleven laps from the end. I had to return to the garage to change it because it was impossible to continue, so I started again with the soft and finished the race. We’ll try again next week at the Sachsenring”.

JAMES ELLISON (14th - Paul Bird Motorsport): "To sum it up bluntly, it was a bad day at the office. I was in a lot of pain from my Silverstone crash and have been getting treatment and painkillers before and after every session but it just proved too difficult in the race, I pushed so hard every lap but was missing apexes and even ran off the track early in the race which put us last. I worked hard to fight back and the lighter fuel load was helping but it was all too little too late. To top it off Rossi pipped us on the line by 0.002s to take another point. I'm just gutted for the whole team and Aprilia as they worked hard to give me a good bike and I'm sorry that I couldn't capitalise on getting more points. I'll be working hard to get fit for Germany and make up for this weekend".

ALVARO BAUTISTA (Not classified - San Carlo Honda Gresini): “Unfortunately, when I followed Dovizioso’s wheel I lost my braking point and hit the brakes far too late. I tried to slow the bike down, but lost grip on the front and lowsided. I am very disappointed, even more so because I took out Lorenzo in the process and that was the last thing that I wanted to happen. It was my fault that he crashed out and I apologise profusely to him for that. I hope that nothing similar ever happens again. I also apologise to my team, because they worked so hard this week, only to miss out on what could have been a great result due to this mistake”.

JORGE LORENZO (Not classified - Yamaha Factory Racing): "Well, today was a complete disaster, Alvaro's move was crazy. I met him after the incident, he apologised and we shook hands but in my opinion this is not enough to justify the accident. When I made a mistake in Japan in 2005 I was penalized with a race. Race Direction told me that he will start from last position on the grid in Sachsenring but this is nothing. We hope that we will be lucky in the future that nothing will happen but if the riders are not penalized properly then they will continue to do crazy things like today. My leg has a big bruise, a big impact but nothing serious happened. Luckily for us we had a 25-point advantage or we would now be far behind. Now we are at zero with Casey so we begin again, the Championship is long so let’s see what happens".

COLIN EDWARDS (Not classified - NGM Mobile Forward Racing): “It has been a complicated weekend in many respects. Yesterday’s weather conditions didn’t help at all in finding the pace and at the same time we have found problems with various components of the bike. During today’s race I enter pits because the traction control didn’t work, as it should. It was a shame because the team has worked really hard but we don’t seem to be able to solve these problems. We hope that things will go better in Sachsenring next week”.

ALEIX ESPARGARO (Not classified - Power Electronics Aspar Team): "We had performed very well in practice. I knew that in the second half of the race I would be feeling more comfortable than my rivals, and that's how it turned out. It was hard to move the bike around with a full tank, but after that I felt very comfortable. That makes it such a pity that in the final third of the race the engine failed and I had to retire. I had been having a great fight with Randy and I think that we could have got a good result together for the team, where it not for this misfortune".

STEFAN BRADL (Not classified - LCR honda): “Well... I do not have so much to say. Yesterday we obtained a very good grid position and today I took another good start. In the first laps the feeling with the bike was great and I could easily close the little gap to Spies. I do not remember last time I has such a good feeling in the first laps but I have to be honest... Probably I was too much aggressive in braking into turn 10 and I crashed. It’s my mistake and I am very sorry for the guys: today we could get a very positive result. Now I want to learn from my mistakes making another step forward ahead my home race. The potential is there and we are capable to race with the top riders”.

KAREL ABRAHAM (Hasn’t started - Cardion AB Motoracing): “We tried riding flat out in the warm-up this morning, just to see if the hand would hold up for the entire race. Unfortunately, the pain was quite intense and it would be nearly impossible to ride at full pelt for three-quarters of an hour. Before that, I’d gone for another check-up with the doctors, where they explained that the cause of the pain was the mass bruising of the hand, which would only get worse with any repeated strain. It’s tough, but the only way the hand’s going to get better is with complete rest and rehabilitation. With this in mind, we’ve decided in all likelihood to skip the next race at the Sachsenring in Germany, since the hand is not going to heal in five days and any further strain would put us back to square one. So, I’ll have at least two weeks of rehab, which I hope will be enough time to be fully ready for the next race at Italy’s Mugello circuit. To miss out on Germany is really difficult to take: for Czech fans, it’s the closest race apart from Brno, and I know that there are many fans looking forward to the trip. I’d just like to let them know that I’m really sorry”.

Belle récompense pour Randy!

ouaip

Colin Edwards rentre au stand : "the traction control didn't work"

Euh, y'a p'tet pa ksa qui marchait plus. Sur les images on le voit filer directement vers le fond du stand, sans un regard pour ses ingés et mécanos. Et même si ça avait été plus grave qu'un fil de capteur débranché, il ne pouvait pas continuer en la jouant finement de la poignée droite ? C' est un grand professionnel, non ? Il y avait des points à récolter quand même.

Et que dire sur ces pneus (Ben Spies, VR) ? Pas de contrôle qualité chez Bridge ? défaut indétectable ou trop de confort dû à la position de fournisseur unique ?

Tout dépend si c'était pilotable le bouzin avec des zigs dans le zag , si c'est pour perdre 5 sec au tour avec un cheval furieux et se faire ejecter ...

Le dénommé Christian Sarron est prié de se rendre au siège de la FIM .Motif " pénalité" , la raison?? Pour avoir, en 1985 au GP de Hollande à Assen, envoyé le gars Spencer brouté le gazon suite à un freinage inconscient mettant en péril la conquête du titre par le susnommé .En conséquence et rétroactivement , la sentence est la perte de 10 (dix) points au classement du championnat du monde 1985, vous perdez votre 3èm place au profit de Gardner et dégringolé en 7èm position , mais premier français quand même, juste devant Raymond.
Recevez, Mossieur etc etc.....
Et faudrait voir à changer de comportement sur deux roues, nous vous avons observés aux CML, c'était très limite, quans à votre camarade de jeu, le dénommé Hubert Rigal, à faire le pitre le 17 juin dernier sous le nez du personnel de l'UTAC; il ne perd rien pour attendre, d'ailleurs qu'il attende ça ne va pas traîner.................Non mais
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Préjuge pas trop vite Gromono, quand un pilote décide de rentrer, il y a souvent une raison suffisante.


Pire que la défaite, l'abandon, et ça, tout les pilotes le savent . . .

pas d'annonce contre Bridgestone avec tout les cas de pneu salement détruit ce we?

Rossi, Spies, Barbera, Hayden .... ???